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From Early Encoding to Late Suppression: Interpreting LLMs on Character Counting Tasks

Ayan Datta, Mounika Marreddy, Alexander Mehler, Zhixue Zhao, Radhika Mamidi · Apr 1, 2026 · Citations: 0

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Abstract

Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks. Although this limitation has been noted, the internal reasons remain unclear. We use character counting (e.g., "How many p's are in apple?") as a minimal, controlled probe that isolates token-level reasoning from higher-level confounds. Using this setting, we uncover a consistent phenomenon across modern architectures, including LLaMA, Qwen, and Gemma: models often compute the correct answer internally yet fail to express it at the output layer. Through mechanistic analysis combining probing classifiers, activation patching, logit lens analysis, and attention head tracing, we show that character-level information is encoded in early and mid-layer representations. However, this information is attenuated by a small set of components in later layers, especially the penultimate and final layer MLP. We identify these components as negative circuits: subnetworks that downweight correct signals in favor of higher-probability but incorrect outputs. Our results lead to two contributions. First, we show that symbolic reasoning failures in LLMs are not due to missing representations or insufficient scale, but arise from structured interference within the model's computation graph. This explains why such errors persist and can worsen under scaling and instruction tuning. Second, we provide evidence that LLM forward passes implement a form of competitive decoding, in which correct and incorrect hypotheses coexist and are dynamically reweighted, with final outputs determined by suppression as much as by amplification. These findings carry implications for interpretability and robustness: simple symbolic reasoning exposes weaknesses in modern LLMs, underscoring need for design strategies that ensure information is encoded and reliably used.

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"Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks."

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"Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks."

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"Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks."

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"Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks."

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"Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks."

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  • Expertise required: General

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Research Brief

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Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks.

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Key Takeaways

  • Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks.
  • Although this limitation has been noted, the internal reasons remain unclear.
  • We use character counting (e.g., "How many p's are in apple?") as a minimal, controlled probe that isolates token-level reasoning from higher-level confounds.

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Research Summary

Contribution Summary

  • Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks.
  • Through mechanistic analysis combining probing classifiers, activation patching, logit lens analysis, and attention head tracing, we show that character-level information is encoded in early and mid-layer representations.
  • First, we show that symbolic reasoning failures in LLMs are not due to missing representations or insufficient scale, but arise from structured interference within the model's computation graph.

Why It Matters For Eval

  • Large language models (LLMs) exhibit failures on elementary symbolic tasks such as character counting in a word, despite excelling on complex benchmarks.

Researcher Checklist

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